Trinity Debate – Gene Cook and Andrew Lara

Last night, while I was doing some mindless homework (don’t ask), I listened to a debate between pastor and apologist Gene Cook and a Jehovah’s Witness named Andrew Lara. Initially I had listened to a ten minute sound-byte of Cook discussing Christianity with a “JW at the door” which I found very useful. It whetted my appetite so I thought I would check out the debate.
Now, before I continue, I will reiterate some relevant beliefs that I hold. I am a trinitarian Christian – I believe that God is one, and is yet three. The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are three distinct persons and are all one God. I fully hold to Nicene and Chalcedonian Christology and Pneumatology. I believe that Jesus is the Theanthropos, the God-man. As well, I am a Reformed Baptist and Van Tilian presuppositionalist, just like Gene Cook. So, when I say the following, keep all that in mind.
When I listened to the debate, I came to the conclusion very quickly the Gene Cook was getting slaughtered, and sadly, my opinion has not changed. It was a travesty. He began very strongly, but was quickly side-tracked and eventually he lost the debate (formally). Of course, the Gospel of Jesus Christ was proclaimed, so in a sense he won. But when it actually comes to the canons of debate, he was destroyed.
Listen to the debate and see for yourself: Part One and Part Two.
This debate is worth listening to as a Christian for a couple of reasons. First, we must remember that being proud is surely the first step towards falling. We may approach an unbeliever thinking that we have all the answers, only to get owned. Second, we must remember that our arguments must be “our arguments” and not merely second-handers from others. To invoke translation errors in the New World Translation, we must be able to demonstrate that fully and convincingly. To bring in translation problems, as Cook did, and know nothing of even basic grammar (not merely Greek grammar, but English!) is terrible. Third, the Gospel is not merely about winning a debate, but about glorifying the triune God. It’s not a save-face event, but a life and death confrontation against powers and principalities.
So listen and learn – I know I did.
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6 responses to “Trinity Debate – Gene Cook and Andrew Lara

  1. kerux

    “Mindless homework…”

    Hope that wasn’t for a certain worship class I know of!!!!!!!

  2. Ian

    No! Hehe. I was forming my templates for Greek on Microsoft Word. It’s tedious. Put in all the text boxes, fill it with the Greek text and then begin diagramming. All of that I can do while thinking of other things. When it comes to parsing, translating and commenting, then I need SILENCE!

  3. Adam Pastor

    Thanks for the info.

    May I also recommend the following video:
    The Human Jesus

    which discusses Nicene and Chalcedonian Christology in regards to the trinity!

    Yours In Messiah
    Adam Pastor

  4. Ian

    Adam Pastor: thank you for the link. Having briefly looked over your site, I see that you would sympathise with Andrew Lara’s perspective. As terrible a debate it was, from the orthodox perspective, Lara is still biblically wrong. Trinitarianism is the bedrock of both the Old and New Testaments. To deny the trinity is to be misguided about the purpose of the world and its reconciliation to God. Anselm asked (and answered) the fundamental question: why the God-man (Cur Deus Homo?). The answer: only God could take my sins upon his shoulder and suffer punishment in my stead. If Jesus was not God, I am still in my sins. Sadly, so are you.

  5. Adam Pastor

    Why then cannot Almighty GOD provide a sinless sacrifice for the sin of the world?

    Why cannot Almighty GOD who alone is inherently immortal (1 Tim 6.16; remember immortal means “ONE CANNOT DIE”) provide a perfect sacrifice to bear our sins upon his shoulder?

    Well what do you know?
    GOD did!!

    That sacrifice was the man Christ Jesus, the Son of the ONE, Living GOD,
    the Son of the Father!!

    [Matt 16.16, 2 John 3]

    That is the testimony of Scripture!
    The Scriptures do not speak of a trinity, or a God-man!!

    Rather, the Scriptures declare:
    (1 Tim 2:5) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

    Remember ALMIGHTY GOD CANNOT DIE!
    Rather, His human Son,
    Jesus of Nazareth died for our sins.
    Therefore, Almighty GOD, the Father, raised him from the dead, glorified and immortalized him, and exalted him to His right hand,
    making him both, Lord and Christ!
    [Acts 2.36, 10.36]

    Therefore one day …
    (Phil 2:10-11) … at the name of Jesus every knee should bow … 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    Thus, there is …
    ONE GOD, the Father; and
    ONE man, the Lord Messiah,
    namely Jesus!

    NO trinity, no god-man???

  6. Rafael Zelaya

    I heard the debate and for me Gene did not lose the debate. That He in Andrews questions time Gene could not answered rightly some questions, but beyond that He was fine. Andrews used the same recycled arguments from his cult`s books “Reasoning from Scripture” and “Aid for the Understandind the Scripture” to answer our argument on trinity and return question. But when it was for Andrew to answer question He couldn`t answer rightly the question Isaiath 6 is more He did not know what to do with question for me it was terrible when he tried to compare this passage with Hebrew 1: 8 ; and what about the question about the same honor we give to the father we should give to the Son, He couldn`t handle with question eigther.
    So in conclusion the doctrine of triniy still unharmed
    Well Blessing. Rafael

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